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Mans
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 Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: New Haven (road)switcher paintschemes |
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I have a few questions about New Haven (road)switcher paintschemes and I hope someone here might help.
Orange/green with green on tops of hoods: what years was this paintscheme applied? I suspect this was followed by the simplified scheme with orange hoods and green cabs.
Red hoods and black cab: This is essentially a inverted McGinnes scheme. I suspect that this is the trustee scheme applied from 1961, is that correct? Or is this the original McGinnes scheme that was changed early (like the reversed scheme that appeared on the first painted carbody locos (EP5, one DL109 and three PA)?
The simple scheme that appears on the S2 in the BLW/ZT NH pack I (black with red ends), is this also a late scheme or did engines lock like this already in the McGinnis era?
/Måns |
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rfranzosa
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| Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: Re: New Haven (road)switcher paintschemes |
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| Mans wrote: |
I have a few questions about New Haven (road)switcher paintschemes and I hope someone here might help.
Orange/green with green on tops of hoods: what years was this paintscheme applied? I suspect this was followed by the simplified scheme with orange hoods and green cabs. |
Actually, no. The first shipments from Alco were green cabs with orange hoods. Maintenance crews soon realized that the orange hood roofs were impossible to keep clean, so subsequent orders (and repaints) had green roofs. I don't have all of the data in front of me, but I think for the DERS-2c (Alco RS3), the switch over to green roof was loco #537 in October of 1951.
| Mans wrote: |
| Red hoods and black cab: This is essentially a inverted McGinnes scheme. I suspect that this is the trustee scheme applied from 1961, is that correct? Or is this the original McGinnes scheme that was changed early (like the reversed scheme that appeared on the first painted carbody locos (EP5, one DL109 and three PA)? |
That is correct. The 'Trustee' or 'Alpert' scheme was applied starting in the early 1960s, replacing the McGinnis scheme on some Alcos and one FM road switcher. All letters and numbers were 3M 'Scotch light' stickers. The move to the Alpert scheme was to save money, the McGinnis/Matter schemes were very expensive to apply. The reason for the switch from the original McGinnis (white on the bottom) to the more common scheme (red on the bottom) was the same as the reason for the green roofs. The white band on the bottom of the side panels was impossible to keep clean, just look at about any photo of an EP5 toward the end of the New Haven's time.
| Mans wrote: |
The simple scheme that appears on the S2 in the BLW/ZT NH pack I (black with red ends), is this also a late scheme or did engines lock like this already in the McGinnis era?
/Måns |
That particular S2 is a 'one-of-a-kind'. By the time of the last bankruptcy, shop crews used anything available to repair locomotives. That S2 actually has a hood and cab from different units. The S2 fleet maintained out of Boston had many different paint shemes, they seemed to create their own at will. I had a tough time deciding which one to 'skin' for the set!!
Rick
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